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Skincare Supplements & How Diet Affects Beauty with Dr. Rajani Katta

January 17, 2025 Fat Mascara

Dermatologist Rajani Katta, MD, explains how vitamins are (and aren’t) regulated, how to judge the safety and efficacy of skincare supplements, and the truth about collagen powders, biotin, vitamin A, and other hair, skin, and nail vitamins. Plus, we learn how your diet affects your skin and hair, which supplements can affect medical tests, and how certain foods can help neutralize free radicals and protect against damage. This interview originally aired in 2020 and has been re-edited and includes a new introduction. 

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Dr. Rajani Katta - her website
Glow: The Dermatologist's Guide to a Whole Foods Younger Skin Diet - by Dr. Rajani Katta
“A Low-Glycemic-Load Diet Improves Symptoms in Acne Vulgaris Patients: A Randomized Controlled Trial”
The FDA’s guide on dietary supplements
Over 50% of supplement factories that the FDA investigated last year received citations
More information on the link between diet and different dermatology conditions - this is a link to handouts Dr. Katta provides her patients, and they’re great resources if you want to learn more
Dietary Supplement Act of 1994
biotin - a vitamin often marketed to help with thinning hair that Dr. Katta says may not be beneficial unless you’re actually biotin deficient
beta carotene warning - learn more about precautions to be aware of when taking this supplement
melatonin - beware of drowsiness when taking supplements that contain this
vitamin A - learn more about precautions to be aware of when taking this supplement
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saw palmetto - learn more about precautions to be aware of when taking this herbal supplement
Consumer Lab - this organization investigates a number of supplements. After we interviewed Dr. Katta, she emailed us to say, “If a friend asks me about a supplement she’s taking, I always check the Consumer Lab database first for results. They are an independent investigative lab that has a subscription service, but some of their content can be accessed publicly.”
The NIH answers FAQs about supplements - an excellent resource that Dr. Katta recommended if you want to learn more about the different seals she mentioned
telogen effluvium - a type of hair loss; listen to ep. 211 to learn more
transepidermal water loss
Does collagen do anything for skin? - check out this summary of 11 randomized controlled trials of collagen for skin
Consumer Lab review of collagen - some collagen supplements may contain high levels of heavy metals such as cadmium
A pilot study finds that almonds can reduce wrinkles
Taste the Nation with Padma Lakshmi - Dr. Katta has been loving this show
“Dancing Queen” by Abba - Dr. Katta’s pump-up song

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Ep. 561: Bad Bridal Behavior; the Astro Facial & The Week’s Beauty News

January 15, 2025 Fat Mascara

A bride sparked debate online for washing off her makeup artist’s work, and Jess & Jenn think there’s something bigger going on. Let’s discuss! Plus: Jess’s facial that doubled as an astrology reading; Jenn’s chrome nails; Ariana Grande thanking Botox; Armani Beauty’s new spokesman; a scientist calls in to teach us about botanical oils in hair care; heated socks for people with Raynaud's syndrome; fancy laundry pods; and so much more. 

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Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Intro:
Monica David - aesthetician at Raquel New York
Honey Nail Salon
Is Pantene Shampoo and Conditioner Good for Hair? - Jenn’s article in The Cut
Shab Caspara - hair growth expert and trichologist
Erica Douglas - cosmetic chemist

News:
Demi Moore Wins Golden Globe for The Substance
Ariana Grande Thanks 'Botox and Juvederm Upon Receiving Rising Star Award
Nicholas Galatzine - his instagram
Emporio Armani | Stronger With You Eau de Toilette
Makeup Artist Speaks Out After Bride Removes Makeup Just Before Walking Down the Aisle
NYXTape
Stuck from the NYXTape - by Snowthaproduct
NYX Cosmetics | The Face Glue Gripping Primer
NYX Cosmetics | The Face Glue Gripping Setting Spray
Science Corner: Choosing the Right Plant Oil for Hair and Skin Benefits
Herbal Essence’s Hair Products - featuring camellia oil
For 2025, Garnier is partnering with the National Park Foundation to help preserve and protect national parks

Raise A Wand:
Homework: Anybody have ideas of how Jess can organizer her makeup under her bathroom sink? Call us to tell us, or ask a beauty question, share a thought, or tell us about a product you love: 646-481-8182. You can also email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener Jesse: Walgreens Micellar Cleansing Water
Listener: Purpose Gentle Cleansing Wash
Listener Lisa: Washes her brushes during her Everything Shower!
Jess: Laundry Sauce Laundry Detergent Pods | Italian Bergamot*
Jenn: Simxihong Rechargeable Electric Heated Socks

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Beauty Trends in South Korea with Jenny Jin

January 10, 2025 Fat Mascara

Seoul-based beauty journalist Jenny Jin joins us with a full report on 2025 K-beauty trends and the latest in South Korean beauty culture. We’re talking about her favorite products at Olive Young; Ultherapy, Thermage, Rejuran (and the Skin Botox and Winback treatment she tried); Chahong’s hair perfume; 5X5 Nail Studio; and the Miffy nails she got from Unistela. Plus: Torriden masks, Nonfiction perfumes, pudding pots, lip tints, closet sachets, antimicrobial stickers, bag charms, snack tours, Turtle chips, and so much more.   

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Below are links to the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi) reach out to us on Instagram, Twitter or via email (info@fatmascara.com).

Jenny Jin - her instagram
Colorgram | Fruity Glass Lip Tint
Olive Young - beauty retailer
Hemeko - beauty retailer
Kiu - hairstylist in South Korea
Ultherapy
Thermage
Rejuran
“Skin Botox”
Winback - the tightening treatment Jenny got in Seoul
5X5 Nail Studio - nail salon in Seoul
Unistela - the manicurist that did Jenny’s Miffy manicure
Fwee | Lip & Cheek Blurry Pudding Pot
Torriden | Dive In Hyaluronic Acid Facial Mask
Nonfiction | Neroli Dream Eau de Parfum
Tom Ford | Neroli Portofino Eau de Parfum
Chahong | Snug Calming Hair Perfume
The Rootist | Talc Free Dry Shampoo Powder
Clinique | Happy Eau de Parfum
Turtle Chips - available at H Mart
The Language of Letting Go: Daily Meditations for Codependents - by Melody Beattie

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Ep. 560: The Pantene Urban Legend, Facelifts & 2025 Beauty Predictions

January 8, 2025 Fat Mascara

Jess & Jenn are talking about “one and done” facelifts, makeup with personality (is Messy Girl the new Clean Girl?), skin tightening, the Lyma at-home laser, the next big fragrance trends, new beauty newsletters, the urban legend that Pantene is bad for hair—and how Alix Earle may have finally put it to rest. 

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Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Intro:
Marissa Meltzer - her instagram
Soft Power - substack by Marissa
How to Not F*ck Up Your Face -substack by Valerie Monroe
Aesthetics Unfiltered- substack by Jolene Edgar
Office of the Surface - substack by Jamie Rosen

News:
Red-Light Hats and $2,700 Laser Kits: The Evolution of At-Home Beauty - New York Times article ft. Jess
Lyma Laser
Dr. Sean Alemi - facial plastic surgeon
Sabrina Carpenter- brand ambassador for Prada Beauty
Flamingo Estate
La Prunier
Vitner’s Daughter
Vo5 Haircare
Alix Earle’s Pantene Hair
Pantene Pro-V Ice Shine Shampoo - now discontinued
Calvin Klein Eternity | Eau de Parfum
Ralph Lauren Romance | Eau de Parfum
Elizabeth Arden Splendor | Eau de Parfum -now discontinued
Elizabeth Arden Sunflowers | Eau de Toilette - now discontinued
Fresh Life | Eau de Parfum - now discontinued
Zote Laundry Soap Bar
Hourglass | Ambient Lighting Edit Brush
Thrive Causemetics | Brush Hero Cleansing Pad





Raise A Wand:
Homework: What candle smells like “the holidays” to you? Call us to tell us, or ask a beauty question, share a thought, or tell us about a product you love: 646-481-8182. You can also email a voice memo to info@fatmascara.com.

Listener: Ozempic
Jenn: Makeup By Mario | SurrealSkin 16HR Soft Setting Spray
Jess: Clinique | Lash Power Mascara - Dark Chocolate

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Best of FM: Anastasia Soare of Anastasia Beverly Hills

January 3, 2025 Fat Mascara

The founder of the Anastasia Beverly Hills has plucked the eyebrows of Jennifer Lopez, Naomi Campbell, and Michelle Obama, but Anastasia Soare’s biggest success is her brand, which is estimated to be worth $500 million. In this interview (which originally aired in 2020), she tells us why she considers herself an example of the “American Dream” and shares how she built her brand, what she wishes more people knew about brows, and some of her favorite products. 

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Below are links to the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi) reach out to us on Instagram, Twitter or via email (info@fatmascara.com).

Anastasia Soare - her instagram
Claudia Soare - her instagram
Anastasia Beverly Hills Brow Definer
Anastasia Beverly Hills Brow Wiz
Anastasia Beverly Hills Norvina Palette
Barbara Sturm Molecular Cosmetics - a brand Anastasia admires
Tatcha - another brand she admires!
Anastasia Beverly Hills Glow Kit
Frederic Malle Portrait of a Lady - Anastasia’s signature scent
Fracas | Eau de parfum

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How to Shop for Skincare with Cosmetic Chemist Victoria Fu

January 1, 2025 Fat Mascara

Learn how to decode a cosmetic ingredient list, which skincare ingredients actually work, and how not to waste money on ineffective products with Victoria Fu, the co-founder of Chemist Confessions. Plus, she tells us about an AI-discovered molecule that improves skin elasticity and explains how social media causes skincare misinformation to proliferate online. This interview originally aired in 2023, but we’ll be back with all new episodes next week!

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Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Victoria Fu
Gloria Lu
Skincare Decoded - book by Victoria Fu and Gloria Lu
Chemist Confessions
Skinceuticals
Kiehl’s
Amyris
La Mer
Revela
Isehan Kiss Me Heroine Make Smooth Liquid Eyeliner
MAC Studio Fix Fluid Foundation Spf 15
Le Labo Santal 33 Eau De Parfum
Le Labo Another 13 Eau De Parfum
Trader Joe’s Crackling Citrus Green Tea Candle - sadly no longer available
Differin Adapalene Gel 0.1% Acne Treatment Gel

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Best of FM: How to Talk to Kids About Beauty with Makeup Artist Jamie Greenberg


December 27, 2024 Fat Mascara

In this interview (our most popular of 2024!), we talk to celebrity makeup artist Jamie Greenberg, a mom of three, about a timely topic: How young is too young for makeup and skincare? How can parents encourage self expression without glorifying consumerism? Should adults talk to kids about the downsides of plastic surgery and photo filters? Plus, she shares her makeup tricks for hooded eyelids, creasing concealer, and how to really get your makeup brushes clean.

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Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram or TikTok or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Jamie Greenberg
@jamiemakeup - her instagram
@jamiemakeup - her tiktok
Robert Rumsey - mua
Jillian Dempsey - her instagram
Lionel Richie - his instagram
Katrina Bowden - one of Jamie’s early clients
Jamie Greenberg Shows Us Her Boudoir - by allure
Pretty Little Pranksters - a beauty prank show by Jamie
Jamie Makeup Blighlighter
Jamie Makeup The Bloss
Jamie Makeup Eye Schtick
Katie Jane Hughes
Galderma cosmetic injectables: Restylane, Dysport
Caveat - handles Jamie Makeup creative
Dr. Nathan Newman - did microneedling with plant stem cells on Jamie’s eyelids
Dr. Michael J. Groth - the opthalmic plastic surgeon who does all the celebrities’ eyes
IL MAKIAGE Foundation
IL MAKIAGE Concealer
Parian Spirit Professional Makeup Brush Cleaner
ZOTE Soap - Jamie’s rec for washing makeup brushes!
MAYBELLINE Instant Age Rewind Concealer
CLE DE PEAU Concealer
NARS Radiant Creamy Concealer
DOLL 10 Concealer
TOWER 28 Concealer
MAC Studio Fix Concealer
KOSAS Concealer
BOBBI BROWN Concealer
Glossier Balm Dotcom
PHLUR - Missing Person
STATE OF CHANGE - Joy solid perfume
STATE OF CHANGE - Grace solid perfume
VASELINE - for runner’s chafe
Katie Sturino
MEGABABE | Thigh Rescue Antifriction Stick - for runner’s chafe
Chilipad Cube Sleep System

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Candlemaker Louis Hotchkiss on The Secrets of His Craft

December 25, 2024 Fat Mascara
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We’re lighting up the holiday season with candlemaker Louis Hotchkiss, the former president of KOBO candles. Here’s here to answer all our candle questions. Which wax burns the cleanest? How do containers, wicks, and fragrances affect burn rate? Why do some wick tips form a mushroom shape after they burn? How can you tell if a candle with have a good scent throw? All that and more. This interview originally aired in 2021 and is presented here with a fresh intro. We’ll be back with new episodes in the new year!

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Below you’ll find a list of some of the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi), reach out to us on Instagram, Twitter, or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can also leave us a voicemail to be featured on a future podcast (our phone number in the U.S. is at 646-481-8182).

Louis Hotchkiss
KOBO Pure Soy Candles
Vintage Estee Lauder candles
Essential oils for pets: which aren’t safe?
Candle terms glossary
Types of candle wax: which is best?
Cire Trudon Abd El Kader Moroccan Mint Tea candle
KOBO Saffron Sandalwood candle - now discontinued
KOBO Vetiver Shaved Vanilla candle
KOBO Pamplemousse candle
Edge Sensitive Skin Shaving Gel (the first grooming product he fell in love with)
Water No Get Enemy by Fela Kuti
Morgan Freeman
Milton Nascimento

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Best of FM: Hairstylist Nikki Nelms

December 20, 2024 Fat Mascara

It’s impossible to listen to Nikki Nelms share her story and not be inspired! The celebrity hairstylist—who’s worked with Beyoncé, Bjork, Janelle Monáe, and others—explains why she doesn’t need mood boards to create hair magic and never “looks to the side” for her ideas. She talks about how she got her start styling hair, the surprising tools and accessories in her kit, how she continues to innovate, and some of her favorite products, including the most hydrating shampoo and candles she can’t get enough of. 

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Below, you’ll find links to the people, topics, and products mentioned in this episode. If you have any questions (or just want to say hi) reach out to us on Instagram, Twitter or via email (info@fatmascara.com). And please email us voice memos of your beauty questions and Raise A Wand favorites so we can share them on the show. You can call us at 646-481-8182, and leave us a message. We love hearing from you.


Nikki Nelms - her instagram
Hype Hair - one of the hair magazines Nikki was featured in at the beginning of her career
Essence Festival New Orleans - where Nikki met Lil Wayne
A Seat at the Table - Nikki did Solange’s hair for this album
Kanye West’s Gold Digger - Nikki worked on this video
Janelle Monáe’s googly eye hairstyle - Nikki shared the backstory behind this look
Flexi Rods - flexible curling rods
Maui Moisture Shine + Awapuhi Vegan Shampoo - This is in Nikki’s “prep” kit
Maui Moisture Shine + Awapuhi Vegan Conditioner - so is this!
Sebastian Professional Shaper Hairspray - in Nikki’s “on set” kit
Kate Somerville Nourish + Cleanse Trio - Nikki uses these
Shani Darden Skincare Retinol Reform - Nikki uses this because Kelly Rowland recommended it (and Kelly’s skin is amazing!)
Grapeseed Oil - mix into your conditioner for a DIY hair mask
Olive Oil - mix into your conditioner for a DIY hair mask
Diptyque Candles in Baies and 34 - Nikki’s favorites
Avon facial cleansing foam - the first beauty product Nikki fell in love with
Erykah Badu
Banana Pudding from Doc’s Cake Shop (aka Doc D’s) - Nikki’s favorite dessert
Nutter Butter Peanut Butter Wafer Cookie - Nikki also loves these
“My 1st Song” by Jay Z - The song that pumps Nikki up

Raise A Wand:
Nikki: Maui Moisture Weightless Oil Mist - makes your hair red-carpet ready!

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The Annual Naughty & Nice (But, But, But!) Special

December 18, 2024 Fat Mascara

Jenn & Jess reveal the year’s biggest moments in beauty culture—what we loved (nice), hated (naughty) and loved and hated with caveats (but, but, but!). We’re talking about contrast makeup theory; Pantone’s color of the year; the beauty industry’s use of artificial intelligence; the TikTokification of makeup trends; everybody’s obsession with Lindsay Lohan’s face; influencers making their own “traditional” sunscreens and toothpastes; Demi Moore in The Substance; a surprise voicemail that had us reeling; and so much more. Enjoy!

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Jenn’s Naughty: The Pantone Color of the Year
Mocha Mousse

Jess’s Naughty: Objectifying People’s Plastic Surgery (especially Lindsay Lohan)
Lindsey Lohan’s Transformation Stuns Fans. Are we in the ‘undetectable era’ of plastic surgery?

Jenn’s Nice: Makeup Contrast Theory
Mastering Facial Contrast with MUA Aliénor
Aliénor - her TikTok account
Trinny Woodall - her instagram

Jess’s Nice: New York Times’s The Daily Episode: The Appeal of the Smaller Breast

Jenn’s Nice: Artificial Intelligence Breakthroughs in Beauty
How Technology Is Changing Beauty Culture with Dr. Alex Box
Osmo
Alex Wiltschko - CEO of Osmo
HelloBiome - AI powered microbiome platform

Jess’s Nice: Demi Moore in The Substance
Demi Moore - her instagram
The Substance - available via Amazon Prime
Bobbi Brown - her instagram
Jenny Fine - Editor at WWD

Jenn’s Nice: Our new Fat Mascara Contributors & Favorite things We Learned From Them

Julee - her instagram
Garrett - his instagram

Jess’s Naughty: Beauty Looks Being “In” or “Out,” According to Social Media Microtrends Moments
Urban Decay | Naked Eyeshadow Palette

Jenn’s Naughty: Ancestral Beauty Trends (beef tallow, DIY skincare, raw milk, etc.)
Nara Smith - her tiktok
Why Is Everyone Putting Beef Tallow on Their Face? - Jenn’s article for The Cut
Raw Milk: The Influencer Wellness Fad With a Side of Bird Flu - business of fashion

Jenn & Jess’s Nice: A Voicemail We Got from Jennifer Aniston
LolaVie | Glossing Detangler

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